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Post by themiracle on Sept 21, 2005 15:05:51 GMT
i wasnt JUST basing it on B&R, i was basing it on my lifelong dislike for batman. i just dont get how having a fancy suit, a fancy car and a a perculiar gentleman who likes the homosexual company of other men sidekick mean you're a superhero. come on, with a name like batman i expected him to be genetically modified to have wings or something. but NOOOO, hes just a jackass. also the batman game for the amega 500 was too hard
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Post by Jesster on Sept 22, 2005 0:10:19 GMT
He wasn't just a rich poof playing at being a superhero though. If anything, it was the other way around. Paraphrase - Child of Dreams
"Batman. Bat Man. Two words making one, the bat and the man. And the bat is stronger. I am no longer a billionaire pretending to be a hero. I'm a hero pretending to be a billionaire."
The exact words escape me at 1am. But that was the gist of it. Batman fought crime, he was a detective that deemed himself above the law. He was the dark that defends the light, and he was a breath of fresh air from all the goody two shoes heroes.
Your words bely the fact that you've never bothered to delve too deep into the Batman mythos and are instead succumbing to the generally popularised idea of Batman, that he's some rich guy with fancy toys. Stop watching the movies and start reading the comics instead. Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, Dark Victory. I reccomend those, especially Dark Victory if you hate Robin, I did before I read Dark Victory.
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Post by Shannon Philips on Sept 22, 2005 11:02:27 GMT
To be honest though, no one can deny that the BEST super hero is Superman, he is the ultimate superhero by far. He's just a bit of a pansy at the same time. Firstly, Obi's getting stiffed on Saturday. Dave, you're wrong, Superman can blow me. Suprisingly, I agree with the Jesster. Batman has long been imprinsoned inside Bruce Wayne. From the moment his parents were killed, there was a beast inside this 8year old kid, and his phobia of bats mirrored the fear he would later inject into the criminals he stalked. Peter Parker resents being Spider-Man, as he has to give up so much personally in order to help people. Superman needs Clark Kent so he can interact in our world, and feel a need to save us. Batman however, hates Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is Batman's alter ego, and left to his own devices, Bats would stay hidden in his cave all day and all night. This quote is an example of the shell Bruce Wayne becomes. At this point, Batman has been retired for 10years, with Bruce Wayne, now 48, trying to live some sort of playboy normalcy. This comes from my favourite Batman book, DKR, as he returns home from a meeting with Jim Gordon: and yes, it's Batman talking to Bruce Wayne. "The time has come, you know it in your soul, for I am your soul. You cannot escape me, you are puny, you are small. you are nothing - a hollow shell, a rusty trap that cannot hold me. Smouldering, I burn you. Burning you, I flare hot and bright and fierce, and beautiful. You cannot stop me, now with wine or vows, or the weight of age - you cannot stop me but still you try, still you try to run, you try to drown me out, but your voice is weak." This quote, comes just after Batman's return, as he is in pursuit of criminals; "This should be agony. I should be a mass of aching muscle - broken, spent, unable to move. And if I were an older man, I surely would..but i'm a man of thirty, of twenty again. The rain on my chest is a baptism, I'm born again. I smell their fear, and it is sweet." Besides, Batman is only ever called a Super-Hero by noobs like you. Batman has always been, and forever will be, the World's Greatest Detective, a man standing within the Gods. And that's what makes him so enduring. Superman, GL, Flash, Spidey, all have some sort of flashy powers, advantages, which stop them getting hurt, or at least prevent too much damage. Batman however, could die anytime he put on the costume, and he has voiced concerns about being brought down by some petty thug on many occasions. "For all the monsters I've defeated, whats to stop some little punk getting lucky?" His power, is his interllect, and strategic thinking. Another thing. Superman, GL, Flash, Spidey, are all given the power and talent to fight crime, whereas Bats had to work for 10 straight years to acheive his dominance. DKR and DKSB outline the idea that whereas other DC super heroes; Supes, Green Arrow, John Jones, have become less powerfull and therefore less usefull, Batman remains the same. Yes, he is older and is weaker phsically, but his power lies in his cunning, his intelligence, and his bad-ass-ness. This is how he manages to beat Superman poopless, at the grand age of 51! ((Superman lying crippled on the floor)) Superman: "Bruce, I just want to talk" Batman: "I'm done taking, now get out of my cave" Suck that you booby faces. www.supafine.com/comics/news-archive-22-2-2004.shtml
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Post by Jesster on Sept 24, 2005 19:20:08 GMT
Bought and read Kingdom Come. The artwork is astounding and the storyline is visionary. Prefer it to Strikes Back, although there's something about the focus on Batman in Strikes Back that makes me still love it. Never have liked Superman that much.
And The Spectre was cool.
Si, who was the GL featured? Can't have been Hal, and he was too white to be John Stewart, so I'm assuming Kyle Rayner, but it looked nothing like him. He was the only unrecognisable character for me.
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Post by themiracle on Sept 24, 2005 19:23:58 GMT
Batman is...the best superhero ever. He is in no way a puffy puffpuff and he totally kicks spidermans ass, the X mens collective asses, and catwomans small yet firm ass.
also, phfill is a smart and handsome young man, and is one of the top wrestlers in England today.
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Post by Shannon Philips on Sept 25, 2005 13:42:17 GMT
I've bought and read Kingdom Come. The artwork is 'astounding' and the storyline is visionary. Don't Prefer it to Strikes Back, there's something about the focus on Batman in Strikes Back that makes me still love it. Never have liked Superman that much.
Si, I love Alex Ross an all, but he draws things too pretty and flawless. Plus, I think that the story felt rushed at some points. I do like Superman a tiny bit more now, but I still prefer Strikes Back and Returns as epic tales.
"Batman is...the best superhero ever. He is in no way a puffy puffpuff and he totally kicks spidermans ass, the X mens collective asses, and catwomans small yet firm ass. also, phfill is a smart and handsome young man, and is one of the top wrestlers in England today."
I like this guy, although I think he may of taken one too many tomb-bones
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Post by Jesster on Sept 26, 2005 12:35:40 GMT
Found, in my local library, The Kingdom. It's a sequel to Kingdom Come, and I found it quite well written, not sure if it's worth buying, but if you get a chance to read it, do. I still have a dislike for Superman though, and Bruce Wayne's gone soft. He even smiled without first punching someone.
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Post by pownall on Oct 10, 2005 13:57:06 GMT
Just read through "The Kingdom"..
was a good read, but seriously confusing on some points. And it kinda fizzled out at the end. Started off looking like some seriously kickass fights were going to happen, and that something deep and truly meaningful culd be revealed, and then well....looked like they realised they were running out of pages and tacked a quick finish on...
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Post by Shannon Philips on Oct 10, 2005 15:18:45 GMT
Well done, dave. Had quite a bit of time on my hands recently, what after Fresher's Week an all, so I've been cosying up with some much needed comic book anticts. Bought Nighwing: Year One, A Knight in Bludhaven, and Bruce Wayne: Murderer, all of which, are stella books in thier own rights. However, if anyone is looking for some groundbreaking material, then 'Batman: Bruce Wayne, Murderer?' is the one for you. Allow me to elaborate kind peeps...
The story starts off with the death of one of Wayne's dearest girlfriends dying, in his Manor, with a gun he bought. With all fingers pointing to the billionaire playboy, and an anomonous call to 911 alerting the police, Bruce is framed for a murder he may, or may not have commited. Sent to Blackgate prison, awaiting trial, Bruce finds his charming, playboy mask slipping, and so he slowly reverts to the Batman. Obviously whilst Brucey is behind bars, Batman cannot function outside, nor can he solve the mystery, which is where Nightwing, Robin, Alfred, Oracle and Spolier come into the mix.
What makes this story such of a must-read though, is the end. I can't say much because it will ruin the revelation, but truth be told, it's awesome, if not very, very, alarming. While 'Bruce Wayne: Murderer' isn't the complete story ((it's only a set-up for a series of events to follow)), it could be read as a stand-alone book.
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Post by Jesster on Oct 10, 2005 16:08:44 GMT
In that case, bring it, with Unbreakable, to me.
It sounds pretty damn good.
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Post by Shane Tyler on Oct 10, 2005 19:42:53 GMT
i have just watched a bit of Sin City what a crazy violent film, has anyone watched the film or read the comics?
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Post by Jesster on Oct 10, 2005 19:49:40 GMT
I watched the film and I love it. I didn't feel it to be overly violent. (For overly violent see Natural Born Killers). As Phfil once told me, it's like watching a comic book on screen.
As a former film studies student I see so many elements of Film Noir in it. The cop, the almost incessant rain, the dullness of the surroundings broken only by certain bright colours. It's a very well made film, having Tarantino as a Guest Director helped a lot I'm sure.
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Post by pownall on Oct 10, 2005 21:18:17 GMT
Lets face it guys, when he isnt coasting through a piss poor script, Tarantino is a directing genius.
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Post by themiracle on Oct 10, 2005 21:26:20 GMT
and a pretty good actor too - his performance in From Dusk till Dawn had me in awe.
Sin city is a great film, and there are plans for a sequel which makes oBi a happy chappy.
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Post by si on Oct 11, 2005 9:25:20 GMT
Tarantino, though, was only involved in one scene. When they said guest director, they meant he completely drected only one scene, rather than helped out on them all.
The thing is Miller didn't need anyone to help him with his style, if you read the comics you'll see it's pretty much taken word for word and frame for frame, he didn't struggle with the looks and atmosphere et al. because he didn't change them whatsoever.
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